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From my mother, Merina Smith. For some reason her computer won't post this, but I thought her reflection was valuable and wanted everyone to see it. So I'm posting here, with her permission:

"I think the second wave feminists had a difficult task. They could only make a splash by perhaps overstating their case along the lines of "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle". I remember reading a particularly condescending article around 1980 by a woman who was trying to figure out why any woman would become a housewife. She said that she spent countless hours having coffee in living rooms trying to get to the root of this mystery, but as I recall never managed to come up with the answer that women were responding to the very great needs of their families, especially their children. It was thus easy for women who were engaged with the important (though often tedious) work of raising children and caring for families to dismiss feminists as out-of-touch with the real lives of women.

Friedan's life was probably not so meaningless and trivial as she made out in order to make her point, but there was definitely a problem for women who needed to support their families. When my Mom started teaching in the early 60s for example, she was paid less than male teachers because they were supporting families, except that she also was supporting a family. When I was growing up the big three (low-paid) professions for women were teacher, nurse and secretary. There is nothing wrong with these professions, but that is waaaay too limiting given the considerable talents and desires of women. So feminism has done a lot of good.

Once, early in married life, a Yale grad student working on some sort of counseling degree wanted to interview us about our marriage. She asked lots of questions about division of work and the like, and was surprised that we agreed on so many issues. I think she was used to a lot more conflict between couples. At the time, I was kind of proud of this and thought that our agreement stemmed from a very traditional understanding of roles with which we had been raised and to which we generally adhered. I thought that was good, especially in light of the controversies of the day. This understanding helped us know what our duties were. There are and were many good aspects of tradition, among them the desire to come together at all and create a family, something that is much weakened these days. But over the years we have had to grapple with problems that stemmed from this traditional understanding. A true partnership really can't happen with the view that the man has the last word when there is a disagreement, as the traditional view dictated in those days. Rather, controversies have to be talked out and worked out. Couples have to grapple with what is most important to each of them and how to compromise for the good of the family. It's not an easy task. It requires thought and compromise. So, while I recognize the importance of tradition, it can't do all the work that I then thought it could.

Second-wave feminists were able to moderate their views somewhat after they had become an important part of the culture. I remember Steinem admitting at some point that maybe having a husband and children could be valuable, after younger women began to revolt against a feminist message that rejected these important aspects of life. Abortion, though, has been a feminist staple from the get-go. I think a more nuanced approach to abortion would still benefit hard-core feminists. In general, the Christian traditions regarding sex and marriage are right and true IMHO (and feminist efforts to destroy the Christian understanding have led to terrible things), but some of the adjacent beliefs, likely designed by religious leaders to simplify conflict in marriages, didn't really do what needed to be done. Contemporary efforts to renew these beliefs lead to similarly cartoonish results. People want simple ways to work through problems. It is not hard to understand this desire. But some things cannot really be made simple, especially anything having to do with human relationships, which very much includes the male/female relationships and the divide between the sexes. Bridging this divide in marriages and culture in general, is absolutely necessary to the human race, but it will never be easy."

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Solomon spoke of his search for a good person (a bit like Diogenes) and he said:

"Behold, this is what I found, says the Preacher, while adding one thing to another to find the scheme of things— which my soul has sought repeatedly, but I have not found. One man among a thousand I found, but a woman among all these I have not found."

I like to take him literally. When we do the math, we find that men are 1/10th of 1% better than women.

This is fairly in the range of Freud's narcissism of small differences, and any man who takes pride in it is probably the same kind of man who plays the lottery. As in, a man who is worse at math than "math is hard" Barbie.

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