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Re: "In the immediate aftermath, sometimes called “the Peace of Westphalia,” things seemed fairly good. But now, almost half a millennium later, it’s clear that Caesar cannot always be trusted to be tolerant and decent. He likes power. And the Church, even declawed, remains a formidable opponent, brimming with influence and moral authority. Across the globe, Christians have endured terrible persecution at the hands of militant secularists over the past few centuries. For all their failings, it turns out that those greedy and corrupt Medieval clerics may have played a meaningful role in preventing politicians from devolving into totalitarian tyrants."

So yes, sort of... But I'm not sure I followed what is Deneen versus what is you.

I wouldn't say that the peace of Westphalia was a good arrangement. That was the heyday both of royal absolutism and of the Atlantic slave trade, and that's no accident. Bad things happened because the Church was weakened and it was less able to fight them.

And then the royal absolutisms started crashing down, and the slave trade ended, and that had a lot to do with Christianity at work. You kind of jumped over that.

Liberalism was definitely not born in the Peace of Westphalia. It would be closer to the truth to say that it was a reaction against the Peace of Westphalia. *Cuius regio, eius religio* is, more than any other single thing, what liberalism from Locke on down was born to destroy.

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